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I've only watched seven episodes so far but OMG, I HATE RIVER SONG.

And I miss Ten :(

Date: 2013-02-21 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
Snicker. My feelings exactly. Eleven is growing on me in S7, part 1, but like you I would hate for Oswald to be River, or even the Doctor's Daughter. I want her to be her own person. Because, I want Moff to create something interesting and old school, and she is that.

who might let you initiate me into Merlin, a show I keep intending to watch, but haven't. While, I might sooth you with my uber-loyal Ten/Rose fiction. Friend away, please!

Date: 2013-02-22 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreon.livejournal.com
I'm warming up to Eleven but I still don't buy him as The Doctor. And while he can be entertaining, I don't find him all that funny.

I guess I just don't really connect with Matt. He's talented and quite charming but... I don't know. Maybe it's simply the fact that I prefer RTD over Moffat. Matt shouldn't take the blame, poor guy.

Regarding Clara, I totally agree. What was so great about Rose, Martha and Donna was that they were ordinary people that became extraordinary thanks to The Doctor.

But Moffat's era is all about greater than life characters and all his women talk and behave almost the same way.

I have no problem believing Clara might be River because all her lines might as well be River's. That would have never happened during RTD's run. Rose, Jackie, Martha, Donna, they were all different and unique in their own ways.

Moffat's writing may be really smart but, in my opinion, it lacks depth and heart.

That's one of the many reasons I can't stand Eleven/River. The show wants me to believe that their love is epic but it just seems shallow. They flirt and that's it.

The Doctor's story with Rose wasn't complicated, it didn't involve a lot of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff but it worked because their feelings seemed genuine. He was right, it didn't need saying because the scripts constantly showed how much they cared about each other.

If Clara turns out to be post-Library!River, I'm gonna be so pissed. Whenever she's around, everything turns into the River Song Show (ft. her sidekick: The Doctor). And it most certainly will not convince me that "they're meant for each other".

So yeah, I vote for Clara to be her own person too.

Merlin is great! It has flaws, like every other show, but its characters are truly endearing. You really should start watching it. The pilot is a lot of fun and a great introduction. (Plus, it has Eve Myles as a guest star :D)

Date: 2013-02-22 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabid1st.livejournal.com
Oh, great. I had thought of it being the Great Library Computer contacting him, but I hadn't thought of it being River as the GLC avatar. Oh, that's depressing, and quite probable. I had posted before the Christmas episode that I expected Clara to die and to be Oswin...and lo' it came to pass. That didn't take much insight on my behalf, because it is soooo Moff to do something like that with a companion.

I long for the days of someone wandering in and ending up having adventures.

Now, it would be new and different if Oswin turned out to be a new person. Because on of the hallmarks of the Moff age is that he is so derivative. Hence, my thinking she might be the GLC avatar. But if she is part of the whole wibbly-wobbly, Willie Wonka universe he's created, I'm going to be more than a little ticked at him. He enjoys tying things together. And so do I, but there comes a time when you are cannibalizing your own show, eating it alive.

Too right about the Doctor's story with Rose not being too complicated. That is one of the things that really bothers me about River, the desperation. I started out with the Old School resistance to Rose, but she won me over by simply enjoying the Doctor as much as I did. RTD didn't keep hitting us over the head with how great she was or how important she was to the Doctor. But, as you note, it was more and more obvious by the way they behaved. So, when that "Forever" line came...and more importantly...his question "How long are you going to stay with me?" I felt my heart clench with them both. Later, RTD uses that line again, but to his credit, he never gives the Doctor any buy-in with Martha or Donna. So, while they might think it is forever, only Rose had him also wishing for that.

And, interestingly, we have the same dynamic with Eleven and River. He might find her sexy and compelling, but we can't say that he loves her or feels anything like what she is so obviously feeling. In the one where Amy & Rory leave, I was surprised to see Moff admit to this in the writing, when poor sad River says that the Doctor must not ever see you grow old or weak. How very tragic is that for a companion? RTD sets the stage for this attitude, but it took Moff to develop it. And so, now MY Doctor, who is quite alien and epic, becomes nothing more than a self-centered human male with Peter Pan syndrome. Shouldn't such a magnificent creature as the Last Time Lord, who is 1000 years old, have found some level of maturity and an understanding of aging?


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